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Mystery_girl
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Pakistan
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Posted - 16 November 2004 :  12:24:06 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Mystery_girl's MSN Messenger address  
Hey guys wassup i hope u all must be fine...!!!
so all u guys have u seen the movie veer-zaara if not then plz watch it it's really a must watch.The movie is awesome it simply rox the acting by the leading actors shahrukh khan,rani mukherji,preity zinta
is the best n ditto goes for the movie it is the best of the best n probably the best movie of this year a very gr8 film n surely a gift of eid for me do watch it guys the songs n direction,lyrix everything is just so kewl..!!!n if u have seen this movie then post ur comments abt it..!!

::.. Life is a beautiful melody ; Only the lyrics are messed up ..::

Edited by - Mystery_girl on 16 November 2004 12:24:30 PM

tweety
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Pakistan
36 Posts

Posted - 16 November 2004 :  2:58:44 PM  Show Profile  
songs r quite kool

yE ChEEzz

cUTe_xombie
Advanced Member



Pakistan
2295 Posts

Posted - 17 November 2004 :  03:44:30 AM  Show Profile  
well..i havnt watched it yet!!
but m gonna watch it so0n..coz i have heard alot abt it...!
songs r really kewl!
!

Xm...!
(zaRa BaCh K Haan)
*You held my hand and walked me home, I know
Why you gave me the kiss, it was something like this, it made me go oh oh
You wiped my tears, got rid of all my fears, why did you have to go
Guess it wasn't enough to take up some of my love,guys are so hard to trust*

Mystery_girl
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Pakistan
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Posted - 17 November 2004 :  11:18:22 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Mystery_girl's MSN Messenger address  
yea songs really rock n so does the movie....i specially really liked the song tere liye...!!!

::.. Life is a beautiful melody ; Only the lyrics are messed up ..::

Aqida
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1244 Posts

Posted - 17 November 2004 :  1:59:06 PM  Show Profile  
I watched it! I watched it too!!

Hmm true... the twists n turns made it a bit better than expected... but it still didn't work for me too well. I somehow saw it a bit biased :S
I mean c'mon!! Did you see Zaara (a MUSLIM girl) touching Amitabh's feet for 'Ashirwaad'! How pathetic is that!! And then Saamiya goes 'yeh tou khuda ka maujza hai keh iss banday ka qaidi number 786 hai!' Puhleeezzz!!

Oh and I almost forgot... Why the hell was Zaara so fascinated by the Punjabis culture... i mean the paranda and the gotay walay kapday.... Didn't she ever get to see those in Pakistan???

The Indians always seem to overdo the Pakistani culture and lifestyle... apparently they've shown a very recent period (you can tell when zaara says 'i'm cool mom'.)... but yet you see people saying 'adaab' and making that hand gesture... I SWEAR, all my life I've NEVER seen any Pakistani do that for real!! and then a Muslim girl saying 'ub tou khuda bhi chahay tou Veer aur Zaara ko alag nahi rakh sakta'! PUHLEEZ! Gimme a break!!

P.S. I had NO idea keh 'humary mulk ka 22 years ki zindagi ka qarz hai Veer Pratap Singh par'!

P.P.S. and oh... did anyone notice... Veer-Zaara never considered the religious difference a problem? Not even once!

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Edited by - Aqida on 17 November 2004 2:01:51 PM

Blue.
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Pakistan
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Posted - 17 November 2004 :  2:50:11 PM  Show Profile  
Hmm I've gone through the movie and I'll just add a few words to what Aqida wrote here. The storyline wasnt a very strong one, the soundtrack had been hyped about so much but was nothing special really and I think Veer and Zaara were made to look much older than what they should have looked after 22 yrs.
Also Amitabh and Hema malni's lovebirds sort of acting was a real put off :s

And yes why didnt they mind the religious difference ? Infact in the end they get married according to Indian tradition!

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abrasive
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Posted - 17 November 2004 :  3:37:57 PM  Show Profile  
Well.. i agree with you both aqida and blue, but yaara i think it was a GOOOOOOOOddddd movie... above average... there were some weak points which u guyz hav mentioned!!
I loved the last poem, it was just simply awesome, i was in tears.. (i knw i knw.. veryyyy filmi ). Mein qaidi number 786, jail ki salakhoon say bahar dekhta hoon... koolkool!
and that scene: zaara to veer: aap kab tak mairi jaan bachain gay?
veer to zaara: aap jab jab apni jaan gawaein gi!

*aai hai mein tu mar hi gai veer par*
lolz...i think ziada ho gaya!
The reason i liked this movie was, the fact that i really wanted to watch a good movie for eid, and thn was waiting for "aiteraaz", "naach" and this movie! and God are the other two WEIRD! I really dont knw where bollywood is going! There are hardly any decent family movies coming! seriously!
So i would prefer Veer-Zaara kinda movies anyday!
I loved the picturization of that last song.. i think it was kool! no doubt the movie had some hiccups but it wasnt that bad!

PS: i am amazed Zaynab havnt posted here! I bet she havnt come accross this topic YET!

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Aqida
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Posted - 17 November 2004 :  4:35:07 PM  Show Profile  
Maybe the movie was all that you've said Sadia. But the bias has pissed me off so bad that I can't say anything good about the movie. With every dialogue of the movie, they were degrading muslims and i did not like that one bit.

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mariyah
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Posted - 17 November 2004 :  8:56:33 PM  Show Profile  Click to see mariyah's MSN Messenger address  
i reallee want to c it! but i cant my examz r starting in 2 dayz...i can onlee watch it aftr the 26th!! greattt!!!!!!!

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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  12:00:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit mairajunejo's Homepage  
bring movie borin songs borin story borinf dailogs !
lol!

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fiza
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  12:58:07 AM  Show Profile  
yeah, religion never seems to be an issue in the entire movie. At times i was confused as to what religion shahrukh was - sikh, hindu, both? Also the whole scene in the beginning with Zara going with her grandmother to pray in the Sikh temple and all - is that common in Punjab?
It really annoyed me that Zaara was all for women's rights and stuff, but she abandons her own Pakistan to go to India and promote education and stuff there. I mean if she was against the arranged marriage idea and wanted to start a change, why not in her own home country (Actually the whole concept of her going to India and teaching is kind of weird and Cheezy - will she teach urdu or hindi - does she know punjabi - she never speaks it in the movie - maybe Shabbo's the translator, what would be more realistic is for her and Raza to have been married. . .). She seemed way more Indian than Pakistani to me.
And the way that Amitabh and Hema were such a happy couple and cool with Veer and Zara being together and they were actually impressed that she was Pakistani, but their counterparts Kiron Kher and Zara's dad were totally strict and stern. Made it seem like Indians are loving people and Pakistanis are strict, rule based, cold people. And the whole idea that you can cross borders really easily - is it really that simple - especially since india and pakistan don't have the best relations with each other? Sorry this is long but i have to keep going - Zaara's wardrobe = SCANDALOUS! Those were some pretty tight, low cut kameez to be trekking in all alone in unknown india.

What I did love in this movie though is the strong character of Rani Mukherjee - though she didn't play a huge part in the love story, she was FABULOUS - she should definitely win an award for this, i wish she would do more serious roles.

I guess the movie was also good in that it actually showed Pakistanis as real people, not indian hating militants. . . Hopefully this is a step in the right direction for bollywood

aap jaisa koi meri zindagii me aay
to baat ban jaae, haan haan baat ban jaae

BlaCk iDentity
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  02:40:45 AM  Show Profile  
Haha, indeed Sadz - i've only just come across this topic. Some good points raised, i don't want to be reiterating, but here are some of my thoughts:

Firstly, before closely dissecting and analysing particular scenes, let me just say that the movie, though seemingly ordinary and pretty run-of-the-mill from the promos, actually exceeded my expectations when i came round to viewing it. Since most of you guys dived straight into the flaws of the film, i guess i'll go ahead with the same approach and hope that by ending on the merits of the film some of you will reconsider your comments! (yes ladies, you know who you are! )

1)Okay, i agree - perhaps the most noticeable flaw in the movie revolved around the portrayal of Zaara as a rich Pakistani girl. She was shown to be far more independant than you'd probably expect from a girl 22 years ago! Travelling alone to India etc just wasn't very realistic. She was also speaking a great deal of English, and yes, we can't forget that she did come from a rich and educated background and therefore it is possible she could speak it well, but they crossed the boundaries of realism. Haha, like Aqida pointed out - the whole "I'm cool mom" is not something you would have seen then! Thats contemporary lingo.

2)Zaara seemed like a very modern-age thinker - a little too open to new ideas and didn't give the slightest thought to religious/cultural differences between the two of them, which definitely came as a surprise.

3) Refer to the comments by fiza below - i nod in agreement 100% :
quote:
the way that Amitabh and Hema were such a happy couple and cool with Veer and Zara being together and they were actually impressed that she was Pakistani, but their counterparts Kiron Kher and Zara's dad were totally strict and stern. Made it seem like Indians are loving people and Pakistanis are strict, rule based, cold people. And the whole idea that you can cross borders really easily - is it really that simple - especially since india and pakistan don't have the best relations with each other? Sorry this is long but i have to keep going - Zaara's wardrobe = SCANDALOUS! Those were some pretty tight, low cut kameez to be trekking in all alone in unknown india.


4)The Baghban love was irritating - again, must agree. It was a bit fazool to see the oldies romancing in that song during that (rather odd) Lodi ritual of theirs! And also, whilst on the subject, what wasn't all that believable was the fact that Veer's parents had single-handedly opened a school, hospital and jaane kya kya in their chota mota sa gaoon. And the fact that their son seems much more modernised, has a very 'non-traditional' job, and seems to be quite well-off, unlike a dihat ka rehnay wala seems too unbelievable from a seemingly uneducated couple. I mean, where did they get the money from?

5) Even though the romance is built up nicely in the movie, the actual time it took Veer and Zaara to fall in love was during her 2-day stay in India! In suit of Aqida - Puhleeez!

But alright, i think thats enough negative comments already - moving onto the strong points of the movie:

1) The court scenes: well-portrayed; the Anupam - Rani rivalry was interesting, and i'm so glad that for once in an Indian movie the film-makers did their homework considering how cases are dealt with I think the whole energy and drama created in those scenes is worth appreciating, it really kept the audience's attention.

2)The promotion of Pak-Indo friendship. Its a very good, positive gesture. Much appreciated. I disagree Aqida that Muslims are shown in a bad light in the film, I didn't sense that at all.

3) Good sets/cinematography; In terms of picturisation a lot of other movies are great too, but nonetheless its something that has to be given credit! And Yash Chopra is the King when it comes to expensive, colourful sets/shooting locations! He'll never disappoint in that respect. When the movie first started off with that song of Veer running about in the fields i must admit i groaned and was beginning to worry that they were trying to make everything too happy-go-lucky and Shahrukh was made to look too young, but the way they suddenly moved from the song to present time of him in jail was effective. Plus Zaara was shot in the dream (yeah okay, nightmare...whatever!) - maximum points for that! Loved it!

4)The scene where Zaara's father discusses the importance of her keeping Raza happy was well-shown, pretty accurate - the sterness and uneasiness between them was good. Consequently there were some effective tense and suspense-filled scenes like when Veer was waiting for her outside the temple-thing in the rain and she ran over to him, i was like, 'Oh God, what will her Dad do!' Similarly, when Zaara's mother arrived at Shabbo's doorstep to find her sheltering Veer i was anxious to know what would follow. Her eyes were so intense and full of hatred, it was scary!

5) Some cute/amusing scenes to build up the romance, like when Veer is pulling that rope thing for them to cross over the river and Zaara the darpoke is afraid of heights. Too bad Zaara didn't choke to death from the nuts. The least she could've done was to fall to her death, but woh bhi nahi huwa *sigh* But back to the good scenes - Another one i liked was when Amitabh convinces Veer on the terrace about asking for Zaara's hand. It was a pretty cute scene, and Sharukh looked unbelievably good in shalwar kameez! Another favourite scene of mine is where they get off at the train station and Veer confesses his love for Zaara - he's articulate - there's no wafting about and no blubbering and over-dramaticising as is typical in Hindi movies, and especially in Yash Chopra movies. It's to the point and touching. I think Veer gets on the good side of everyone at that point because of his honesty and simplicity. Also the little tension between Raza and Veer is fun. Also liked the scene where Zaara agrees to the marriage and simultaneously Veer agrees to the accusation; nice bit of selfless love shown. Sorry if i'm being horrificly mushy!

6) Gotta go with Sadz - there's some good shayri by Veer, i was quite touched by the poem he read out at the end. Clever rhyming.

7) The visual delight that was Shahrukh Khan How can you not fall in love with him! *dreamy sigh*

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Edited by - BlaCk iDentity on 18 November 2004 02:55:21 AM

Mystery_girl
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  2:40:14 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Mystery_girl's MSN Messenger address  
yea there were all of these flaws in the movie but i think that these r all minor things what we should look at is the acting,story,dialouges etc n i thought that all of these things were just superb n probably this is the first indian film that didn't degraded pakistan because saamiya(Rani)was a pakistani lawyer n she helped veer n most of the part of the movie has been shown in pakistan.... n if u talk abt the songs then veer-zaara is the kind of movie that's ought to have these melodious n slow songs becoz this movie has a different genre n obviously it has a different feel n puhleez u cannot expect songs like it's the time to disco in these kinda films..!!!

::.. Life is a beautiful melody ; Only the lyrics are messed up ..::

Edited by - Mystery_girl on 18 November 2004 2:42:08 PM

DeSerT RoSe
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USA
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  3:40:25 PM  Show Profile  
i totally agree with blackidentity, blue, aqida, and fiza, that it was a bit biased, and all that you guys said.......but i just think that our own film industry needs to get better, infact it needs to be so good, that we wont see indian movies, because the thing is, after all, all the people who made Veer-Zaara are indians, and no matter what, they are always going to be a little biased, wouldnt we be? why let them represent our culture and traditions which seems like they even dont know about? why not take charge and represent ourselves, rather than letting them show the world whatever they want to...?now i agree with those of you who said that even though it was a bit biased it is still about friendship and we should appreciate it, but when movies which are entirely based upon friendshiop are made, they should atleast respresent opinions and views of both sides based on fact not stereotype. i only liked two songs, tere liye, and the lodi, the rest of the songs didnt attract me, infact they all kinda sounded the same to me....

Oh Allah,
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I bear witness to my own helplessness.
All will is yours. What can I will?
I want not eternal life from You,
I want not the good things of this life from You,
I want not my heart's desire or my soul's repose.
What I desire of You is Your pleasure.
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Blue.
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Pakistan
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  3:44:16 PM  Show Profile  
Ahem Okay, would anyone like to tell me how can a Pakistani, Muslim, Girl belonging to a political family so easily get the Permission to stay in India for life ?

and while Veer and Zaara grow reallllly old shabbo stays young ? How ? How ?

Aur wah : Mera mazhab ijazat tou nahe daita phir bhi aaj se har roz Allah se dua karoon gi ke har janam main Zaara tumhari ho!

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Edited by - Blue. on 18 November 2004 3:49:04 PM

DeSerT RoSe
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USA
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  3:49:00 PM  Show Profile  
i know the answer, everything is possible in an indian movie :D:D:D

Oh Allah,
I am aware of my own inability.
I bear witness to my own helplessness.
All will is yours. What can I will?
I want not eternal life from You,
I want not the good things of this life from You,
I want not my heart's desire or my soul's repose.
What I desire of You is Your pleasure.
~Imam al-Ansari

nfanatix
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  4:24:04 PM  Show Profile  Click to see nfanatix's MSN Messenger address  
AWESOME

U know ME roX

Aqida
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  5:15:31 PM  Show Profile  
quote:
Aur wah : Mera mazhab ijazat tou nahe daita phir bhi aaj se har roz Allah se dua karoon gi ke har janam main Zaara tumhari ho!

Good point, Blue! ;)

#1... she's praying for a Muslim girl to get married to a Hindu guy. (hmm okay... this can be digested)
#2... but being a MUSLIM, she believes in 'janam's??
Last I checked, Muslims didn't believe in any 'janams'.

... And then our dear Zaynab disagrees that 'Muslims are shown in a bad light in the film.'

A Muslim girl touching someone's feet for 'Ashirwaad'... and a Muslim girl saying 'Ub tou Khuda khud bhi chahay tou Veer aur Zaara ko alag nahi kar sakta' ..... Zayn, how else can they show Muslims in a bad light ???
...and the fact that Shahrukh Khan himself is a Muslim. He should have objected to such degrading scenes and dialogues anyway!

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Edited by - Aqida on 18 November 2004 5:19:10 PM

abrasive
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  6:00:31 PM  Show Profile  
Aqida and Blue, its just a movie.. so let it be! We know they didnt portray the RELIGION rite! not even close! But it was Better thn the rest!
I dont disagree with you guyz a bit, but remember this is a BOLLYWOOD movie, they always portray Muslims with a bad touch! and i think this one was a bit better than what they usually portray us as!
As far as religion not being a problem is concerened, i think the only reason why this wasnt considered a problem is because there were already other issues they wanted to focus on, thats what they do, this is a FILM! they can portray anything they want to! and may be if he was a muslim may be still yehi maslay hotay!
I am not trying to defend the movie, coz i didnt find it AMAZING! i would prefer Kuch Kuch hota hai, Mughl-e-Azam, Silsilay kinda (bollywood) movies anyday... (these are my all time favourite), i didnt like that Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Ghum (sorry zaynab) but thn again, it was WAYYYYYY better thn alot of other movies! so i guess i was okay with it!
So just watch Aeiteraaz and Naach.. and thn post about this movie..lolz.. u will knw wat i mean!

PS: YEA YEA , my point of view abt the movie is based on the fact that i am comparing it with other movies! I am not talking about it in isolation and i WONT

PPS:Dont watch the two movies! DONT!!!!!!!!!!! hehehe

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Blue.
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Pakistan
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  6:32:33 PM  Show Profile  
LOL...okay Aqida and I will let you people go as long as everyone agrees the movie aint something amazing and surely this is NOT the kind of music that comes once in a lifetime...or is it ?
We have stressed so much on the flaws, as this movie had been hyped about SO much and it didnt match all that hype.

And Sadz, puhleez they didnt consider the religion issue as there were other important issues as well ? The religion issue IS the most important issue otherwise there is nothing wrong with an Indian getting married to a Pakistani.


P.s. Hah! Aqida..shahrukh khan is a muslim himself and should have objected to all this ?...he himself is married to a Hindu girl remember ?

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larki
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Pakistan
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  7:18:55 PM  Show Profile  
yaar woh film hai film ..
film aik film hotey hai
usmein khali hero heroin ka pyar hota hai
aur kuch nahe lol
so as a film theek hai meiney dekhey nahe
na dekhongey kahani tu sunhi lee
lol but itz film yaroon mind it.

aiK taRa do0 taRa no0 taRaa

fiza
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USA
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  8:56:14 PM  Show Profile  
quote:
but i just think that our own film industry needs to get better, infact it needs to be so good, that we wont see indian movies, because the thing is, after all, all the people who made Veer-Zaara are indians, and no matter what, they are always going to be a little biased, wouldnt we be?


I Agree with you 100% desert rose. I mean I think Pakistan totally outdoes India as far as music is concerned - so there's no lack of talent in the arts. It's sad that we depend on India for film entertainment. I know so many Pakistanis that have been brainwashed by Indian culture from the subtle details displayed in films. Now Pak songs are talking about sindoor and bindiyas - I mean we have our own beautiful culture, we don't need to copy india. This is exactly what india needs too - we're helping there economy and film industry while hurting our own industry. Pak films are also lame copies of bollywood. The time to get our films going is now - India is obsessed with Sex in films and bollywood quality is going down. Pak needs to take advantage of this and produce some quality films and perhaps crack into the indian market.

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Aqida
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Posted - 18 November 2004 :  11:10:26 PM  Show Profile  
quote:
P.s. Hah! Aqida..shahrukh khan is a muslim himself and should have objected to all this ?...he himself is married to a Hindu girl remember ?

Umm yeah... that thought came a little later! :p

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DeSerT RoSe
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USA
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Posted - 19 November 2004 :  02:59:10 AM  Show Profile  
i know, right!, fiza you and i need to team up and get lollywood going, ;), i'll be the director and editor, and you can be writer and producer, and the rest of the crew we'll get along the way, deal?;)
p.s. where do you live in USA?? i live in NC... GO TARHEELS!!:P

Oh Allah,
I am aware of my own inability.
I bear witness to my own helplessness.
All will is yours. What can I will?
I want not eternal life from You,
I want not the good things of this life from You,
I want not my heart's desire or my soul's repose.
What I desire of You is Your pleasure.
~Imam al-Ansari

fiza
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USA
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Posted - 19 November 2004 :  09:00:34 AM  Show Profile  
Hahah Desert Rose, u n mean taking on Bollywood, Yash Chopra better watch out!! I live in a little town, i don't know if you've heard of it, New York City? hahah yeah i live in manhattan, and see all the places in Kal Ho Naa Ho like everyday. So we can film our movie here - lol

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Mystery_girl
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Posted - 19 November 2004 :  1:17:26 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Mystery_girl's MSN Messenger address  
ok guys juzzz chill man u r just talking abt religion yaar ghalti kar di zaara ko pakistani bana keh lolz hehhe but yaar take it as a movie as a love legend n according to that it's juzzz awesome after every scene i cried n all the dialouges n specially the dialouge by shahrukh in the end is juzz awesome n i guess according to the performances sharukh should get the award for the best actor(lead) an preity for best actress(lead) n rani for best actress in a supporting role n the movie should get the best film award guys why r u just sticked to the religion wala part see the whole story how brilliantly it has been made all the locations n stuff so according to that this movie ROX(in capital letters)..!!!

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